Ep 28 - Scotland gets the most improved award :)

Welcome back to another episode of Chasing Hazel’s Tales, the family history podcast. In this episode, we take a deep dive into the deep American roots of our grandmother, Thelma Persis Haskell, tracing her lineage through generations of hearty New England stock.

Kim and Laura explore the York and Clark lines, shedding light on their English ancestry and the journey from New Hampshire to the Plymouth, Massachusetts area. Discover the historical significance of these names and the potential connections to the Mayflower.

Kim shares her insights on building family trees on Ancestry.com, offering tips on how to navigate the vast network of information and the importance of verifying data before adding it to your own tree. Learn the significance of different types of evidence, from birth and marriage certificates to census records and obituaries.

Intrigued by the prospect of tracing your own family history or debunking long-standing theories? Kim ponders taking a sabbatical to explore her connections to the House of York in England and the fascinating world of royal descent.

And don't forget to stay updated on Ancestry.com's latest DNA ethnicity updates, adding new regions and improving accuracy. Will it reveal surprising insights into your own heritage?

So, whether you're a seasoned genealogist or just starting to shake your family tree, join us on this journey through family history. 

Transcript

Kim: 0:03

Hello, and welcome back to Chasing Hazel's Tails, a family history podcast presented to you by two registered nurses, all around family historians, and sisters. You've got family history? We want to talk about it. I'm Kim McLaughlin.

Laura: 0:17

And I'm Laura Ireland. This week, we're going to discuss the deep American roots of our grandmother, Thelma Purses Haskell. which we discussed last week. She grew up in the Millinocket area and then raised her family in Old Town, Maine, and she was from Hardy, New England stock. So we're skipping around and it seems to that we're skipping around by grandmothers. Our grandmother was Thelma, her grandmother was Persis Mary York, and her grandmother was Mary Ann Clark. It's the York line and the Clark line that are of interest for us today. Our English DNA is on display here

Kim: 0:59

today. It is. That's where our DNA comes from, from England. There it is. And so the reason I wanted to talk about them, they represent a kind of a theme to me, where we have solid main roots. With historical ancestry, and so I think they're historical, but let's discuss that. The Yorks we discussed before, they're solid in Penobscot County. I can kind of trace them back to Durham, New Hampshire. I haven't gone crazy with it, but I have to let you know that I don't know much more about them. than the main connections. And then the Clarks can be traced back to Washington County, which is the eastern most portion of Maine. And then they go back from there to Plymouth, Massachusetts and all, yes, you guessed it, all the way back to the Mayflower, which is around 1620.

Laura: 1:47

And to me, that sounds like a, a logical transition. A lot of folks who started out when you came to the United States. It maybe landed in Massachusetts and transitioned right up the coast to, you know, the, that area of Maine was very prosperous at the time, either with shipping or with logging or something like that. So it seems like a logical transition.

Kim: 2:12

Makes sense. And here we are. Yeah. And I mean, imagine it. I mean, the resources were

Laura: 2:18

endless. Yeah,

Kim: 2:19

the abundance. Can you imagine? Trees. In Maine, as far as you can see, trees. And still. Yeah, and still. So one of our very first Maine Clark ancestors that settled in Pembroke, which is in the area of Washington County, where where we're from, but that's where the settlers from Massachusetts and Maine came to build lumber mills. They build were building ships, and they had deep water access for all types of vessels. And in 1860, there were seven shipyards in Pembroke.

Laura: 2:53

That seems, seems excessive for

Kim: 2:55

such a small town. I know, but they had to say they had that deep water and they had all the resources. So so Washington County was for many years, a hub of activity for those very reasons. And also, if you throw in the railroad, which came later, or it came around sometime, but they, that just connected them to Canada and connected them to Bangor and boom. I'd

Laura: 3:16

be willing to bet the population of Washington County at that time was well above what it is today.

Kim: 3:22

I would bet you money too. Maybe sometime we could check that out, but yeah. Where's our fact checker? Google. And yeah, so it's just these days there's just not that that activity over there like there was then. No, it's still beautiful though. Oh, would you Eastport, one of the deepest water ports. around. That's amazing. So underutilized. Not that I'm an expert in all that, but it is beautiful and yeah, we don't

Laura: 3:55

in any way want to come across as experts,

Kim: 3:57

but we are not experts, especially but it's pretty and we like it. I've been there. They make good lobster rolls fresh off the boat. It's a great place to be, but it's, isn't it sad that it used to be the bustling port, but I think they're taking cruise ships now too, so it might be changing. I think things are heading in the other direction, which is great. So everybody, come to Eastport in Washington County. It's great. Watch the sunrise. That's right. Everybody wants to. So, so here we are. We're talking about the Clarks and we're talking about the Yorks. And the reason I want to do that just to explain that I keep all of my trees on my... Genealogical trees. That's right. That's right. Let's just specify. All my genealogy trees are on Ancestry. com. it's just my native platform. So there are others as well. They do good too, it's a wonderful way to build your tree. You can also see who else is researching your ancestors. Mm-hmm. So like if I see my ancestor named Joe and then I, I look at hints and there's four other people doing the same, research, they have the same person. Those might be my cousins or they just might be researchers. But to me it's potential collaboration right there. So that's one thing I really like about Ancestry. I could see who else is doing the same thing I am.

Laura: 5:12

Right, and they might know more information about Joe than you know, and you can bring that in if you approve of their information.

Kim: 5:21

That's right. if it seems to jive, and I've done just that. I've helped some people, some people have helped me, and that's how we all get to completing our trees. But so what, the reason I say that. It's because I get really excited. I've got all these potential collaborators, and of course I go and I look on their tree, I take peeks, what do they got? And I'll, I'll go back and go back and say, I wonder where the trail leads this, say, York line or the Clark line. And I'm following it, and it's pretty, some of it's pretty wrought with errors that are obvious. And the reason I say that is sometimes you'll find people their date of birth is being after the person, after the day they got married, or the children was born after they had died. You know, the dates don't match. And also if a person has like 85, 000 people on their tree, I think, wow. Number one, where'd you get the time to do all that? And number two, Is it real? Is it, how'd you do it? You know, how did you just find that many people and that's your tree? So, it just looks like what tree creators are doing are just taking branches from other trees, and I call it cutting branches. So they cut branches and copy them onto their own tree without even looking. And... And not, they're not being malicious. They're just saying, oh, this is, this is my family. And, you know, click, cut, paste, cut, paste, cut, paste. Next thing you know, you got 85, 000 people on your tree. And so what my point is going to be is. how exciting it is to look down the road and see where your family may have come from and how easy it is to jump in and say, Oh, that's my family, you know, but it might not be, you have to check. And so what I always say is trust it. I mean, it doesn't mean they're wrong. It just means you should verify it before you clip it and put it on your tree. And so that's, that's what I want. That's why we're doing the Clarks today, just because. Those two lines in themselves have some pretty interesting ideas that I could, that I wish I could, had time to do a deep

Laura: 7:23

dive. Right, so you've seen a lot of information on other people's trees about those two lines?

Kim: 7:29

Yes, both lines. Okay,

Laura: 7:32

and when you see that information How do you go about, what do you do to try and

Kim: 7:36

verify it? When I see it, what I do is I say, okay and usually it's just like, just the next line back, like, I, I, my tree may stop at Joe, but Joe's father is listed on somebody else's tree. Well, I look, I say, well, what evidence did they have? Did they have a census record? Did they have a birth record or a marriage or something to show that that was the right family? You know, if they show up in a census record, there's Joe and all four of his kids and his wife. It's all in the right area and it's the right ages and all that, then, well, there you go. There's some pretty good evidence. And that's what I do. So, but so they might be right. And if I could find that, great. Thanks for the help. And I'll put it on my tree. That doesn't always work out that way, but that's what you should do. You should check it and say, if it matches your tree, does it make sense? Is it the right people? And you know, you go far enough back, everybody's named John. And John's cousin's name is John. Or Thomas. John Thomas. John Thomas Burgoyne. John Thomas Edward. They're all the same name. So it takes some study and it takes some time and. I have a couple of people that I follow that really do a really great job. And then sometimes you can bump into someone who has done Daughters of the American Revolution or something like that. And so they have, that's pretty, that's pretty painstaking. So if someone has proven your line back through that vessel, you know, through the Daughters of the American Revolution, that's great. You know, that's pretty cool. So I usually, I love it when I see that, but anyway, that's why I'm talking about these two lines today. Because I see them. And I don't just disbelieve them. It's just, I don't know how to prove it yet. And I just haven't gotten there, but it's just an example for people to be careful when cutting and pasting. It may or may not be right. Okay. So the Clarks and the Yorks are pretty common and they both have historical significance. And the other thing I wanted to mention was if I find someone on my tree that I'm not sure that they're right, I put hypothesis right on their dashboard so that people know that I'm just working on it. I'm not saying it's for true. You know, I just, I just, sometimes I just don't know, but I don't want to just, I don't want to cut them off the tree yet, so to speak. But so we wanna talk about the Clarks and New Yorks and the different things we find that may or may not lead us to The, the answer I want because sometimes the answer I want, I can't get there. And so the answer I want for let's the, the Clark family, so they come from Plymouth, mass area, mm-hmm. and I'm gonna hypothesize that we descend from this line and that the d I have d n a matches on ancestry that have these, and they're researchers that I respect. And they go right back to this line where there's a Thomas Clark and a John Clark, and they both have connections to the Mayflower, as in they're not a Mayflower compact signer, but they were there and they were mates on the Mayflower. And that's, you're

Laura: 10:40

talking about the John Clark who was like the pilot of the Mayflower. Yes. So he's not listed as a Mayflower.

Kim: 10:50

He was a settler. I mean, he was not a settler. He was actually employed by the Mayflower, whoever owned the Mayflower. Yes. And they were employees and they ferried people back and forth from England to Massachusetts and the same with his son. So I'll let you go from there.

Laura: 11:07

Yeah, he, he was pretty interesting too because before that he was also, he was a prisoner of the Spanish. Yeah. And was part of the Spanish Inquisition, which. That was, I, that was pretty,

Kim: 11:22

pretty interesting. That wasn't on your bingo card, was it? No, it was not on

Laura: 11:26

my bingo card. So, but then he, you know, he did this whole thing where he worked and helped to ferry the, the passengers over on the Mayflower and then was given the land in Virginia. All right. So, as an example of some things that you can find about people online, either on Ancestry or Find a Grave or, you know, whatever people choose to put online. For Thomas Clark, it says he died 24 March of 1697 in Plymouth, Massachusetts, and was buried in Burial Hill Cemetery. Here lies ye body, I just like to read this. Here lies ye body of Mr. Thomas Clark, aged 98 years, departed this life March ye 24th, 1697. It is a well received tradition that this ancient man was the mate of the Mayflower, and the one who first landed on the island in Plymouth Harbor, which bears his name.

Kim: 12:33

Right, so there's a Clark Island.

Laura: 12:35

Clark Island, and little is known of the life and circumstances of the mate of the Mayflower. His name is not among the signers of the original compact, nor mentioned among the first settlers. It may therefore be conjectured that he was considered merely as an officer of the ship and that he returned to England wither Captain Jones and subsequent subsequently came over and settled in this town. We find his name among those who received allotments of land in 1624, and he also shared in the Division of Cattle in 1627, he resided at Eel River and is supposed that his family were among the sufferers in the house of William Clark when attacked by a party of Savages. March 12, 1676. He being himself absent at meeting escaped, while eleven others massacred and his son tomahawked, who ever after wore a silver plate on his head. From which he was called Silverhead Tom. Seems

Kim: 13:35

kind of brutal.

Laura: 13:38

Numerous lineal descendants from Thomas Clark now reside at Eel River in this town and in other parts of the old colony. There is a handsome china mug whose pedigree is traced through the Clark family back to Thomas Clark, which had been presented to the cabinet of the Pilgrim Society by Betsy B. Morton, a descendant, and also a leather pocketbook with the initials T. C. impressed on it. These relics afford additional evidence that the mate of the Mayflower died in this town and that his ashes rest in the grave in our burial place designated by a stone with the above inscription.

Kim: 14:20

So that is what, that was what was written about Thomas Clark.

Laura: 14:25

Right. And posted online. But there are other sources that say... But that island is named after John Clark, who was the pilot of the Mayflower.

Kim: 14:35

Right. And so this one basically just says it's a well received tradition. So someone wrote this and thought it was about Thomas. And then the next thing you know, we believe Thomas's father, John, has some very similar things written about him. So over the years, things got muddied and things didn't really, they weren't correct. But what I took from that very thing that you just read. There's a lot of things, number one, that I, once I read that, I thought, well, number one, I want to check out Clark Island. What is that? Number two, William Clark House, the House Massacre of 12 March 1676. That's got to be, I want to read about that. Yeah. And what's this with a silver plate on the head of a child? He lived with a silver plate where he had been tomahawked? So they, so to say, scalped? Yeah. So all that, all that we can glean from this passage is that the mate of the Mayflower died in that town. We don't really know who it was. It just says the mate because they had a leather pocketbook because they had a a mug. They really couldn't assign it to anybody, but this is where you just start taking some just think a minute because I'm I got pretty excited when I read that. I thought, wow, look at that. This guy's. There's a lot of stuff going on here. But no, you've got to check a little further. So what we did was we did check a little bit further, and this is from a, this is from Find a Grave, believe that, I don't disbelieve it, because I know some people who have done some research on this, but it, as always, it always bears more research. So I'll let you read about the father, who we believe the father of Thomas is, John Clark, and this is what it said about him.

Laura: 16:22

So John Clark was the master's mate and the pilot of the Mayflower, and accompanied the Pilgrims shallop. I don't know how to pronounce that. Scallop.

Kim: 16:36

I don't know. Here we go again. Scallop, shallop. The little boat. How about the dingy? Okay, we're on the dingy.

Laura: 16:49

Clark's Island in Duxbury Bay is named after him because he miraculously brought the little boat ashore during the strong storm on one of these expeditions, and John was given two shares in the Virginia Company for his service, and he sailed to Virginia on 10 April, 1623. in Daniel Gookin's ship, the Providence, and he died shortly after he arrived, and he was, I do know that he was killed in a massacre by one of the native tribes.

Kim: 17:19

Oh, so they, so how these stories are mixing, it's like, I'm not sure, they really should be figured out. It,

Laura: 17:26

there was like a third of the, the people of the little settlement there were killed in a massacre by the native tribe there and he was one of them that died, so, anyway so, so these confusing accounts, they just, show how all the copying and pasting can just add to the confusion. Right.

Kim: 17:49

So we don't, it might be right. It might not be, but a lot of it, it just seems like this detail and that detail, they all kind of mix around. But one thing I wanted to say about the massacre, I read two different things. So there was a, there was a, an inscription in this cemetery about, or it's called the first encounter. And the first encounter is when the natives encountered. The, the colonists and there was a skirmish, and that must have been the massacre. And so they called it a native massacre. You know, we were, we were massacred by the natives and of course we weren't there. We don't know what happened. But then mm-hmm. 2001 or, you know, fast forward a hundred years. And then there was a, another pla place to describe it, to say that the natives were protecting their culture and their land, and there was an encounter. So, depends on, right, so the natives see it one way, because they were, they were protecting what was known to them, and they were the colonists who were trying to survive, and they had an encounter. So there were two different, one was a really old plate that described it as the massacre, and the, and the newer one described it as the natives trying to protect their way of life. So let's just put that there. So that, that's another story altogether, but they are in that same place. the two descriptions of the event. Yep,

Laura: 19:10

certainly two different perspectives for sure. Exactly, exactly.

Kim: 19:14

So anyway, so here we come to the Clarks and what we can see is that there was confusion. I do want to do more research. I want to say that I believe Thomas was the son of John at this point, but if I, if I wanted to do a research plan, I'll tell you where we can find stuff out. And I need to because. These are our people. I really believe that this is our league. So anyway I would probably go to New England Genealogical and Historical Society. That's in Boston. And they have people there that are experts in 1620, meaning the colonization in Plymouth. And they have, New and updated books. I've seen a few that just came out. And there's one that I want, I would really like to read called the Great Migration Directory, the immigrants in New England from 1620 to 1640. And Robert Charles Anderson is the director of the Great Migration Study Project. And he's been dedicated to genealogical research since 1972, earned a master's degree in colonial American history from University of Massachusetts at Amherst in 1983. And he's been an editor. consultant to the New England Historical and Genealogical Register. Number one, he's got it.

Laura: 20:26

Seems like the

Kim: 20:27

dude we ought to contact. That's right. And so, but the, but they, they have a group of people who study just this, and I'm willing to bet that there is. A wealth of information in those books, so I want people to know that, and if they want to follow along the Clark journey, they can go to the New England, just go to the library, and I'm sure it's all there.

Laura: 20:49

Or maybe they have a different journey. Maybe they've got someone else on the Mayflower that they might be looking for.

Kim: 20:55

Yep, and I believe it, number one, it would be very well researched, and they don't put anything out that's not been verified. Right. So, I think it's, it would be really. Worth your effort and maybe worth our effort. Maybe you and I ought to jaunt right down to Boston and just spend the day. We know people. We know people. But that library is fantastic and check it out. The New England Genealogical and Historical Society. I forget what street it's on. I know what street it's on. Anyway, it's in Boston. All right. So that is what we think right now about the Clarks and what we find is very confusing. Do you have anything to add? I don't think so. No, but I think it's, I just think that Grammy comes from interesting lines, put it that way. But then we want to bring up the Yorks. And so Grammy had the Clarks and then she had the Yorks and the Yorks we found were in Penobscot County. They were very solid there. And then if I looked ahead to other trees, they were in Durham, New Hampshire. And I did find one of my DNA matches that had a huge tree on Ancestry, 85, 000 people. So for me, that was a red light and a green light. I said, Yes, I want to see where this goes. That's my green light. Oh boy, let's look at this. And then because I want to know where in England they came from. I would like to be able to set forth and say, you know but then my other thought was, how did he get all these details about this? How does he know? Because I want to, I want to know those skills on how to find you know, royal, royal lines and things like that. Right. So I decided to check it out. And this was the line of York's, and it made me think about the House of York. You got a puppy? Mm hmm. Oh, last week she had cats, this week she has dogs. The dog is with her, right by her side. So this line of York's makes me wonder if we had any connection to the House of York in England, and I think Laura is much more well versed on the House of York than I am. But according... What? Well,

Laura: 23:03

I've done a little bit of, you know, light reading, but... Yes.

Kim: 23:09

But according to an online tree... That very same one from the DNA, I have a DNA match, and his tree is much bigger than mine, and we indeed, according to his tree, are related to the House of York and Richard III. The Plantagenets. The Plantagenets.

Laura: 23:25

The last of that dynasty. He was the last one. Or dynasty,

Kim: 23:30

as they say. That's right. I've, again, so I've not done this research, but I looked at his tree and I said, well, let's just see where this goes. And again, what we have to do is trust, but verify. there he is. Richard III of England, Pentagenet. So he was born the 2nd of October in 1452. Oh, it's almost his birthday. Yeah. If I had put him on my tree, then I could have told everybody. I'm going to put that on my list of things to do, 2nd of October. How old would he be? Good lord. Anyway. Oh, 560. And the reason I have one of my programs brings up every day for me all the people who have birthdays and it's kind of funny. I don't know. This one would be a hoot, but just so you know, I don't have Richard III in my book, in my tree quite yet. I haven't proven it. He died in 1485 at the Battle of Bosworth Field in Leicestershire, England. I think I said that right. Sounds pretty good. But this tree that my, my, my DNA friend has, has no sources, no anything, just his family. And, and when you get that far back, it may be, it may be.

Laura: 24:43

Yeah, I don't know how you get sources for the.

Kim: 24:45

I just don't know. I know that those royal lines are very well documented and it's just that sometimes it'll take you down this road and you have no. Idea how they got there, but it was fun. It was really fun. So it's another thing that I may want to look into. Because I was reading that, for instance, Mark Humphries, a professor of computer science at Dublin City University in Ireland, and a genealogy enthusiast has estimated that there are millions, millions. of people with provable genealogical ancestry from medieval monarchs. And so provable in that Richard III, I think his family has very well documented. So you could take it from historians, that could be your sources. And so, so my friend with 85, 000 people in the street is not necessarily wrong. But he, you got some proving to do, you know, I've got a, I've got a long way to go from 1800 to 14, whatever this guy was.

Laura: 25:48

And also thanks to our phones listening, all of the things they pay attention to that we do. Google suggested an article for me today. Already? About the Mayflower. And it suggested that there are at least 10, 000, 000 Americans that have ancestry to related to the Mayflower Pilgrims. 10 million? 10 million Americans descended from the Pilgrims on the Mayflower.

Kim: 26:24

That 20 people, or however many. I don't know. I

Laura: 26:26

think, I think only 50 something survived. Right. There were 102 passengers. Right. I believe on the Mayflower.

Kim: 26:35

And turn that into 10 million. Yeah. Wow. That's, you know, the numbers don't lie. I see many people online who say they have three or four lines to three or four of those ancestors. So they, they, I think it's a likelihood is there that we connect, but, you know, better than Powerball odds. So, but I think what I need, and I still, I still don't have anybody to fund it is I need to take. a sabbatical from my day job. Well, again, I'm going to say Powerball. I need to take a sabbatical and, and go and have research, research time for Kimberly. So the point of these two lines, the Yorks and the Clarks is just so that you can see that everything you see on Ancestry, you know, isn't necessarily true, but you can use it as a guide and as an opportunity for education. I mean, because who would have thunk you could put a steel plate on a kid's head and have him live, what'd they call him, Silverhead Tom? Yeah,

Laura: 27:39

yeah,

Kim: 27:39

Yeah, so he had a problem and they put a silver, I mean, there's, there's education right there. But

Laura: 27:43

is it also weird that both of those lines are named, or candy bars are named after them? I think it's obvious. It's awesome. A York peppermint patty and a

Kim: 27:55

Clark bar? Yeah. Are they still out? Clark bars? Yeah, you can still get a Clark bar. I don't know. I, okay. That's our, that's our homework for the next week.

Laura: 28:03

It is almost Halloween. Right. I've got all the

Kim: 28:05

candies out. You know, so. But what you can do is you can take anything that you find on Ancestry, use it as a guide and an opportunity. I mean, and I think about it, I just think of all the fun places you'll go in genealogy, all these things we learn every week, you know, every day we, I learned about all these places I never really gave much thought to. And Richard III, and you know, that happened five, six, seven years ago, that Richard III was part of a documentary, if anybody wants to look it up, and I was just fascinated by it. Do you remember it? Yes. I

Laura: 28:37

was excited to learn that War of the Roses was not just a Michael Douglas and Kathleen Turner

Kim: 28:43

movie. Yeah, it wasn't. Okay, you know, the further you get away, the easier it is to forget, but yeah, so Laura also is only accepting white roses from now on. Just that is correct. If you're sending her roses, they better be white. But

Laura: 29:00

isn't that bad though? Doesn't that mean death? Our White Rose

Kim: 29:04

is deaf. There we go. Where's Google when you need them? But we want you just to take opportunities. If you see trees that don't necessarily match up with your own or are further ahead than your own, take it as an opportunity for education, but trust, but verify. So again, don't add it to your tree unless you have some sort of source that says, it's true, whether it be a birth record or marriage, a death certificate newspaper obituaries, that kind of thing or maybe a historical document like Richard the third who said he had kids, you know, this many children. But it is fun to collaborate to connect with other people. And find out what they know and what they think, but like I say, all the places you'll go, in genealogy, we go to England, we go to Germany, we go to all these places and learn about where our ancestors may have lived. Yeah,

Laura: 29:53

and soon hopefully with the new ancestry update, we might, maybe they'll provide us with new. Places we might

Kim: 30:02

need to explore. That's right. And they're supposed to be refining it again. So for anybody who hasn't heard, Ancestry. com is updating its DNA ethnicities by the end of September. I don't expect any big changes though, do you? Well, they what they're saying is they last updated in July of 2022. What they're saying now is they're adding four new regions, which I don't know how they could change much of the regions where we're familiar with. There might be other regions say that haven't been tested so much. Maybe, you know, other continents or other regions. But so they're updating or they're adding 4 new regions and big improvements in 2 regions. So maybe that's 1 of ours. Maybe they'll tell me where in Ireland our grandparents really were that we don't know. But there's 2. So. and we're more Scottish than we ever thought we were. Maybe that's going to be refined.

Laura: 30:59

Yeah, last time Scotland got the most improved award.

Kim: 31:08

We suddenly became very Scottish. Yeah, so I'm wondering if that will be altered. Okay, let's take bets. Like I, what are you right now? 30, I'm 33, I think, percent Scottish. I'm,

Laura: 31:17

I'm up there. That's my most, that's my highest one. Me too. What am I? Well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna have to pull it up.

Kim: 31:26

Yeah, me too. So anyway

Laura: 31:28

I'm 28. I'm pretty well balanced.

Kim: 31:31

I, you know, I'm

Laura: 31:32

28 Scottish, 25 German, 17 Irish, 16 English.

Kim: 31:40

Okay, so I'm just pulling mine up and it hasn't changed yet. I keep pulling it up. I know. Yeah, it's not good. It says coming soon. So I'm 33 Scottish. 32 Ireland, 18 Germanic Europe, 6 percent Norway, 5 percent England. Isn't that weird? 5 percent England and Northwestern Europe. With all these Yorks and Clarks running around, I'm only 5%. And then there's Sweden and Denmark and Eastern European and Russia. So

Laura: 32:06

they're... And I've got a little bit of Welsh, Sweden, Denmark, and Norway too, but so I've got

Kim: 32:12

the four major, well, four major DNA groups, Scottish, Scottish, Scottish. Well, it's,

Laura: 32:19

it's actually what they, we were always told growing up. English, Irish, Scottish, and German.

Kim: 32:26

And that is true. Very true. But

Laura: 32:28

the sources may not have been where we

Kim: 32:30

expected. Unexpected sources of England. So that's funny because our NPE, I can follow back and I've got a great location for them in wherever. Yeah. Where was it? King Sutton, there you go, King Sutton in England. And so I've got that all figured out, but the ones, the family I do know, I can't really locate that well in England, in Europe. That just bums me out, just so you know. Yeah. Anyway, so. All right. So next week, perhaps we'll have our updated ancestry. We'll talk to you about that. And we do have some other topics coming up that might be really interesting. We'll let you know when those come up. And there may be some times when we go every other week instead of every week. depending on our schedules and depending on our planning to go to Sleepy Hollow, New York again. So we're planning for that for the end of October. So who knows what we'll find there. Yep. All right.

Laura: 33:37

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Kim: 34:05

Again, me. Right.

Laura: 34:07

But if you haven't seen any nuts fall out of your tree, you might just be the nut in the family. Yeah. You can also follow us or contact us, contact us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, or TikTok.

Kim: 34:20

Until then, we'll, we'll see you. All right.

Laura: 34:23

Bye bye.