Ep 25 - Carl Laing - A Life Well Lived

In this episode, your favorite family historians delve into the intriguing story of Carl Laing, a quiet man who left behind a treasure trove of saved items that reveal hidden aspects of his life. Join Kim and Laura as they explore the mystery behind Carl's motivations for preserving these artifacts and speculate on what might have been lost. They reflect on Carl's adoption, his family's business ventures, and his enduring love for his wife Hattie. Get ready for a fascinating journey into the life of Carl Laing, filled with surprises and untold secrets waiting to be uncovered. So sit back, relax, and enjoy another episode of Chasing Hazel's Tales.

Transcript

Kim: 0:00

Hello, and welcome back to Chasing Hazel's Tales, a family history podcast presented to you by two registered nurses and all around family historians and sisters. If you've got family history, we want to talk about it. I'm Kim McLaughlin.

Laura: 0:14

And I'm Laura Ireland. Today we're gonna cover Carl Laing, the best way we know how, through some of the things he saved. And these are things he saved his whole life and apparently for us to discover.

Kim: 0:27

Yes. Do

Laura: 0:27

you, do you think he saved everything in case he found his biological family?

Kim: 0:33

I'm just thinking what would make someone save all this stuff?

Laura: 0:37

I don't know. And I'm wondering how he saved, like how is that stuff not all

Kim: 0:41

moldy, like. Some of the letters were kind of old and not in very good repair. As far as like, and they might have been some mold because they

Laura: 0:51

were, some of those things were like 80, 90 years old when mm-hmm. when he died and, and Kathy took possession of'em and, I just can't imagine that they stayed so well for so long. But they did. They did. I mean, we've got all the legible proof right here. They're still fine.

Kim: 1:09

I wonder what was lost? What else was there? Hmm. There may have been some things lost. I don't know. But I, I wonder and was he, was he proud or what did he want people to know this story? Did he, he was such a quiet man. Very rarely, one to just sit down and tell you a big old story. He just didn't do that because, well, Hattie wouldn't let him, but, you know. Well, that's true, that's true.

Laura: 1:33

And there were some of the family stories contained in those letters, so maybe, maybe that was part of his game plan or, yeah, maybe he just valued all he just felt there was value in saving all the family correspondence and. I, I don't know. Hard. Yeah. We can only speculate, I guess. Right.

Kim: 1:52

But we're lucky. We're lucky that he did. And

Laura: 1:55

we're very lucky because we've had quite the time of it. Uncovering all of this mystery and finding out right secrets we

Kim: 2:03

didn't know, and that it would've helped if we'd known it. You know, it was, it would've been nice to, to have known a lot of this earlier on, but nonetheless, here it is. And right. You know, We had time in this point in our lives and able to do all this, but it's been, it's been awesome and we're very thankful for Carl, and I know many people are. But so first thing I want, you know, we're just gonna go over some things that we found in his stuff that Just says a lot about him. First off, we have his adoption certificate where Roscoe and Georgia Laing of Enfield, Maine adopt Carl. And so he was born on July 31st, 1912, but he wasn't officially adopted until November 17th, 1920. So he was already eight years old when he was adopted. But on the document, you know, on the Adoption form. It did say that his name was gonna be legally changed to Carl Laing. Carl Roscoe Laing. And he's listed on the 1920 census as a son to Roscoe in Georgia. The date of the census was January 21st, 1920. So he was not officially adopted until July of that year. So, We have no way of knowing. When he went to live with the legs, November,

Laura: 3:17

November of that year, what did I say? He was adopt, you said July.

Kim: 3:21

Oh yeah, right. That was his birthday. But so census was January. The his birthday was in July, but he was adopted in November. So the census earlier that year already called him. The son they call, his name was Laing on the census. So that they claimed him, and we just don't know for how long, how Been since birth? Right, right. I don't, I don't really know, and I don't, I, that information just hasn't come forward. There might be other papers and I've not putting the effort into getting his adoption records. I don't really need'em, and I don't really think I have a right to them. But I. As genealogically. It's interesting, but I don't think we could get'em. But anyway, little, little

Laura: 4:01

two-year-old Carl was too young to save his

Kim: 4:03

own stuff. Yeah, right. If he could have tucked those little papers away in his little little shirt pocket he wanted, he would've had Little briefcase is two years old. That's right. That's

Laura: 4:13

right. Give me all your papers. I

4:15

will

Kim: 4:15

save them. So the, and the truth is, we, we had mentioned in the last episode that. Carl's mother was unwed from what we understand. And we have her information, her name. And I haven't put a whole lot of effort into finding her just because I don't have any reason to. And but we know who she is, where she lived, and where supposedly Carl was born. But we're just gonna leave it at that. And Little Carl came to live with the Langs and you know, that was his family. That's right.

Laura: 4:46

Right. So yeah, he, so he was adopted by them and he worked very hard for his father, Roscoe Laing, who was, he was a very industrious businessman and the whole family, I think pretty business minded, right? Wouldn't you say?

Kim: 5:02

All the Langs, I think, yeah. They were staples in Enfield and Passadumkeag. There was a very large family. And they were well known. Right.

Laura: 5:11

But the name is is gone now,

Kim: 5:14

right? I don't see any, any Langs anywhere, no. Hmm, interesting. But there were lots of them then because Carl saved a myriad of deeds. Some of them had Roscoe Laing on them. Some of them had Thomas Laing and some of them had other siblings of Roscoe Laing. There were just, and I wanna tell you, he must have a hundred deeds that he saved, that have no, no connection to that, that don't say Laing on them. I don't Why would he have these? Hmm. Yep, no idea. I looked through'em last night and I'm thinking, these look at all these deeds and they're all, some of'em are quite old, and I just don't understand why, unless Roscoe was some sort of dealer, or some sort of realtor. In his spare time, hooking people up. But you know, he just knew everybody. And I think in all of his business dealings, he just connected with a lot of people, some,

Laura: 6:05

some role in the town as the person is who is the keeper of the deeds.

Kim: 6:10

May I'm, I'm not sure, maybe he gave him, he wasn't an attorney, but he was the Enfield Farmer's Cooperative. He was treasurer for the Enfield Farmer's Cooperative. So he, he had his hand in everything, I think.

Laura: 6:22

Yeah. So, and also of course, the railroad, we know all about that.

Kim: 6:26

The family, the family in the railroad for sure. And it did say in his obituary, in Roscoe's obituary that he did he did work for the railroad himself before going into business for himself. Oh. So that would've been another, another generation added on to the main Central Railroad family. Mm-hmm.

Laura: 6:45

Yeah. Yeah. And of course, the general store, which right. Was there until, In in our lifetime. It, it kind of faded out and it's gone now, but it was there. So Carl also helped his mother who was post mistress in Enfield for many years and had, he had a lot of responsibilities as he grew up, as many children did back in the day. And while he was in school, he met Hattie Fallon who would go on to be his wife. And they corresponded every day, sometimes twice a day for many years, late 1920s, up till they married in 1934. Right. Many very, very exciting letters, aren't they? Yeah.

Kim: 7:29

Oh, I wished we had the ones that he wrote to Hattie. We only have a few. Yeah.

Laura: 7:35

Yeah. But, but you know what? I noticed that like. I only found one in the letters that I have that is written from him to her. And it's very much in the same style. And it's later, of course, it's after they're married, but, and it's all very you know, oh hun ge, I wish this and that. And, you know, it's the same style and you know, I guess that was their, their love language or whatever their, the way they communicated. Yeah. Love language. But he wrote in the same style She did. So, oh,

Kim: 8:08

yep. So there was one letter that I found and it just kind of, Indicative of some of the things that we've read, but there was a letter to Hattie from Carl, and it was dated October 13th, 1929. So Carl was 17, so Hattie would've been younger. And he was writing back to her and he said, and this is what it says. I quote and it quotes, I can't begin this letter in any other way than by telling you what has been going on today. I'm quite sure you get cross at me for not coming out on Sundays. And I think I, and think I don't care. And I think up excuses to tell you, but I don't know how to tell you that. I don't think up excuses. And then the letter went on to say about things that had gone on. He was working and things, and then on page two says, in all underlined words, so that's almost like red ink for Hattie. Hattie had a red ink letter, but this, he underlined all of his words and they said, I don't make up my excuses other to, other than to say that I don't make up my excuses and would enjoy very much to have your company. So that's, I just think he's saying enough. I, I don't know how to tell you anymore. That things happen, you know? And I can't sometimes come out on Sundays. And I think one of,

Laura: 9:20

as a teenager, he knew what she was like and he, he went for it. So, you know, and

Kim: 9:26

they had a very long marriage, so, oh, very long. How long? 70 years. 70 some. Yep. 70 years or more. So this was, and this was from, I mean, isn't that amazing that they know each other from 15 years old till they're, till they're 90 in their nineties, that they are a unit until their nineties. It's amazing. That's where I'm headed. Yeah, very good. I know we'll celebrate. But what I noticed was in that letter he happened, a car had broken down, he wasn't able to go out, and I think a lot. And

Laura: 9:55

she's blaming him for

Kim: 9:56

that. Well, I think so, and I think she blames his father for not letting him come out, making him work too hard and things like that. But they had a, they had a business going on. They, and that was 1930s. So this is just after the depression. So you take

Laura: 10:10

all the business you

Kim: 10:10

can get and you get the B, right? Yeah. And and they, and they had to, they had to work hard. There was a lot of work going on. So anyway, the reality is, is there's very few letters, but he kept this one. So I'm thinking like, did he find it and say, oh yeah, I'm gonna keep this and tuck it in his little pocket like Carl do. I don't know. Oh. So I just, the letter was just saying, all right, and maybe, maybe they just came to a an agreement that, yep, this is, this is the way it is.

Laura: 10:37

Wow. You know? Yeah. Well, I mean, they would go on to Mary in September of 1934 and the wedding announcement read. Carl r Laing of Enfield and Hattie L Faloon. Incidentally, middle name Laura of Howland. Yes. I was named after her. Were married Saturday evening, September 8th. At the home of the Officiating clergyman, Reverend Wayne L. Robinson of the First Baptist Church, Bangor. The double ring service being used, they were unattended. Oh, I know. The

Kim: 11:15

scandal. I know. Like did they just get up one day and say, oh, today's the day we're getting married, we're going down. I don't care. And yeah, we, we got a car. You might not get a car next weekend, so we're getting it this weekend or something. I don't, and off they went.

Laura: 11:29

Yeah. Well, you know, it, it. It's hard to know, but it seems from the letters that maybe the Langs weren't fond of Hattie or at least Roscoe Laing. And the letters from Carl always seem to be apologizing. Mm-hmm. Well, the. I guess we don't have that many, but you always get that tone that Carl's been apologizing for having to work right. For his father. And then there was the butter Wars, you know,

Kim: 11:56

and if you wanna hear about the butter wars, look back in our library, it's, there's the letter with the butter wars. Yeah. So, yeah. Any, yeah. So. They, they all, they knew each other. They knew this is the way it's gonna be, and they decided to get married and off they went in 1934. So they, they were married and ready to begin adulting at that time. And then I also, the next letter I have, and this is just interesting, there's a letter. Number one, it's to Judge Weatherby. And I didn't know that there was a Weatherby judge. So I'm from Lincoln, that's Lincoln and she, and it was written to Judge Weatherby in Lincoln. And it was written by Georgia Laing. it seems as though Carl had been wor, this was in 1940 and Carl had been working. For the family. But the, it said from Georgia Laing, we are very sorry, Carl Laing got a ticket on an overload of white birch that would've made dad so proud. He dad was a truck driver

Laura: 13:01

and he was, he was fond of stretching

Kim: 13:03

the rules a little bit. That's right too. So when it came to driving, he loved, I think he liked to poke the buttons of, whatever, law

Laura: 13:09

enforcement. What, what were the smokey, what did he used to call? Cops, I can't remember. Yeah.

Kim: 13:14

It was anyway, but dad used to like, huh, I'm only one pound over, or whatever, you know? It's just funny. He, he just kind of had a, that kind of relationship. Mm-hmm. So she said, we are very sorry. Carl Laing got a ticket on an overload of white birch and I'm writing you so that you might fully understand the case. Before passing judgment, he was out of a job and so took the truck to do what he could with it. He had never done any hauling before and was loaded by the men at the yard, some of same as the other trucks, and thought it was all right. Kindly be lenient. Sincerely, Mrs. Georgia Laing, Carl's mother at this time, Carl was 28. The fact, here's the thing, the fact that we have the letter and not the judge. The judge, I wonder if the judge ever saw it, and I'm thinking maybe Carl intercepted it before it went to the judge. I don't know. But is she the original helicopter mom? You made her been. And so this is 1940. So Roscoe was still alive. And I don't know, I think Carl again was such a soft spoken man and he got a ticket. Yeah. Big deal. I'll just pay the ticket. You know? Yeah. And but no, his mother didn't think he pro, she, she probably thought he got set up by the guys in the yard where he got overloaded or something. Yeah. Anyway, so that was 1940. Hmm.

Laura: 14:36

Yeah. So then, you know, and we don't have, we don't, there's really not much for us to go on during these years. There's, because of course, ha, Hatti and Carl are living together and not writing. So we don't have letters. World War two. Yeah. World War II was firing up. Right. And so what we have next is that there's the death of the patriarch Roscoe Laing, 1943. I think it was a heart attack, wasn't it, Kim? I don't recall. I think that's what I rem I think that's what I remember seeing on the death certificate was Yeah. That it was his heart. Yeah. And I don't, but I don't recall how old he was. So that was in the midst of World War. Two. And Carl was yet to be involved in World War ii. He would go in in the spring of 44, is that right? Yes. March, I think. Yeah. And that previous thing you just read about the he was, he was out of a job, you know, and that's why he was driving the truck. And that makes me think maybe that's why he enlisted in the Army in 1944. Mm-hmm. You know, maybe there was no work for him to be done. And of course, we already know how hard the times were around the town. There was, there was no men around. The work was very very hard to be found.

Kim: 15:55

Much, it was, I think, just hard. You could, you could do all kinds of work but never get paid.

Laura: 15:59

Right. And for them being in the, you know, having the store there was, they couldn't find things to sell. They couldn't get things to sell. There was rationing, they, you know, and people didn't have money to buy. So it was just, it was just hard times. And so maybe that's why he went into the Army and,

Kim: 16:17

Yeah. So, and, and, I think like, I think I've said before, I think he was industrious. He wasn't one to just sit around and I'm pretty sure he, you know, he had a young wife and they had a family. I mean, you know, they had a life that they wanted to start. So yeah, I'm looking for a job. I'm looking to make money and yeah. And that

Laura: 16:34

was 10 years into their marriage too. Yeah. And because in my mind when I first heard that, I, I just thought it didn't make sense. I was like, well, his father just died. His mother is elderly and his sister is very, very ill with Right. Cancer. Doesn't seem like a great time to enlist in the Army, but you know, if there's no work to be had and no money, then you know, it probably does. That might be the only thing that does make sense. So of course we know that Then Hazel goes on to die in 1946 af that's after he gets home, right? Right. Yes. And, but a few details about when he was in the Army. He did receive the purple heart. Right? He was, you, you know some details about that, don't you, Kim?

Kim: 17:19

Well, I just have the, details of him. his hospital admission card that I found on ancestry.com. It says that he was 32 when he went into the hospital, which was the portable surgical evacuation or convalescent hospital for the infantry. So he was admitted to the hospital March, 1945 and discharged, discharged in April of 1945. That's all it says. And his diagnosis was wounds, perforating. With no nerve or artery involvement. And he was a battle casualty injury type two. And so these just go on to say the closure of the wound and everything. So it's kind of, you know, his little card from when he was in there. Mm-hmm. And so he, he healed well. He did fine, but he was, yeah, he did receive the purple heart.

Laura: 18:05

Yep. So that was a lifelong honor for him.

Kim: 18:08

Right. And he, and he had it on his license plate. That was at the end of the war. And so the Purple Heart was issued, which is lovely, and he healed and went home. But then he gets called back to do a four week refresher course in 1951. So he's still able bodied. Mm-hmm. And I, I'm not sure exactly his age, but they wanted him, I think, to be ready to go to Korea if they needed. He was almost 40,

Laura: 18:35

I think, right? Yeah.

Kim: 18:37

52. He would've been 40, right? Yeah. So he he was called back and. I don't think Hattie was very happy with that, which I, Hey, you know, everybody's been through a lot and I totally get it. So I think he was supposed to be going to Korea. So upon his arrival to Fort Campbell Kentucky for a four week refresher course, his mother and what Hattie called it in the letter was she suffered a shock. So I'm assuming that's either a stroke or maybe a heart attack or some sort of Life-changing event or health changing event that she would not be able to recover fully from this. Yeah, because I

Laura: 19:13

definitely saw that phrase used a lot in the World War II letters that he had. Yeah,

Kim: 19:18

yeah. Shock was, yeah. Mm-hmm. So the first line in the, so what Hadie does of course, what would any, what would Hattie do? She writes a letter to the Army, to Edward Witzel, the major general of the Adjutant general. So there you go. Go to the top. Cool. That's right. And and her first line says, I would like to ask if it is custom of the Army to send men into combat with one week of refresher trading. So she's telling him so. She had received a, a note from Carl and what she wanted was just help. She said, I don't think you understand the facts. His mother had suffered a shock and he was given 15 days for his furlough to go back and tend to his mother. But then when he went back to Fort Campbell, they had all the paperwork had gotten lost somehow about I think people had had endorsed his compassion leave and to be excluded. It didn't work out that way. He never did go to Korea. But had he gave him the what for? So. She says, I would like to present the following facts to you and I'm asking for your help. So she's saying he was just sent to Fort Devons and then to fort he went from Devons to Fort Campbell for a four week refresher. He had only had one week and he was called back. He was given 15 day furlough when he returned. He had missed the first two weeks of the training, but was sent out on the field with the third week boys, boys. He's 40 years old. Okay. So then their training was cut short to send them out for shipment. So, he never did, I don't think he ever did go. But she, she goes on to list all the papers and all the notarizations and everything that she had sent, and she had copies of everything. I don't know how they get copies. They must use carbon copies or something. But anyway. And she just says that he wo wrote a letter for asking for discharge and stating his reasons, but I failed to make a copy. But the Lincoln Trust Company and Lincoln has copies of it, so, you know, and we owe money to the bank. So, so she's trying, I mean, think about it. They probably have notes that need to be paid and things, does Carl not make his case very well? I don't, you know, first, first Georgia you know, writes letters. And then Hattie does. I just think he would accept it. He would just go, mm-hmm. And, and they didn't want him to, so, yeah. Anyway. And then, so this was in 1951 that Hattie writes this letter asking for the Army to discharge him. And that his mother had suffered a shock. So that was January of 51. And then And is that a copy of the letter? Yeah, I have a copy of the, I'll show you a screen, but,

Laura: 21:47

but like, it's not something he intercepted, right? I mean,

Kim: 21:51

Well, that's a good point. Well, he would've been in Fort Devon's. Right. So, or Fort Campo. So I'm thinking, no, but I, she may, I think she was, she was an administrative type person, so I think she kept lots of, she knew how to make copies of everything. Yeah. Anyway. Okay, so that was of January, 1951. Then 1952 in March, Georgia Laing did die. Oh, yep. I'm pretty sure Carl was very busy tending to the businesses and the estates of everybody involved. And a lot of the papers that Carl had were, they were that involved. The Langs were the wills because when Roscoe Laing died, he had originally made his will out before. He had children that he adopted, so they had to amend that and then give it all to, and then they had to give it to Georgia, and then Georgia gave it back to the kids. It was the, the wills and the, the following. Those, those papers is very difficult and I'm not legalese when it comes to these documents. Mm-hmm. But they're, they're very interesting. And that's just, you know, a good summer project is to figure out what went where when so then, Then when Georgia Laing dies in 52 Hazel is already deceased, right? So then everything has to go to Carl and he has to take care of all of the estates and the properties. And, and they had quite a bit, I think. And they just kind of whittled it all down. As people passed away, they just took care of business and You might say downsized. They downsized. Yeah. Yeah. But it's very confusing, but there's a lot

23:26

of

Laura: 23:26

it. Right, right. Yeah. Well, I would imagine a lifetime of papers can be

Kim: 23:31

confusing, but I bet he knew what they all were. Right,

Laura: 23:35

right. So then, you know, we have the 1954 apprentice in embalmers licensed the, that from the state of Maine that was issued to Carl. And his howland address was crossed out and forwarded to Jacksonville, Florida. Cause I do know they lived there for quite some time. He did.

Kim: 23:53

He worked for the paper company, didn't he? Yeah, and he made, that was his career. Once he got all the family things taken care of, then he made a career for himself working for the paper mill, I believe. Right, right. We don't have papers, we don't have much of that,

Laura: 24:09

but they did keep their residents in Enfield on the lake, so, yes. Yep. But, and he never did become employed as an embalmer, but in his later years he worked for the local funeral home for quite a long time. And I think he was very well liked

Kim: 24:24

in that position. I think he worked well into his eighties, didn't he?

Laura: 24:27

I think so. Yeah. Maybe even 90. I don't know. I think

Kim: 24:30

he enjoyed being around people and seeing. Seeing the faces and the families and he just knew them all. And he, and he was like we said, a very soft spoken man. He was made for that job. Yeah.

Laura: 24:41

He, he had a very kind calming presence, I think. And that was I think that was nice for the folks who were going through the worst time of their lives,

Kim: 24:49

right? Yes. Right. So, and another thing we, he, he saved all these papers from 1985 and he's getting. You know, he's getting older by now. Yeah. His house was robbed in Jacksonville, Florida while they were not at home, and with about$3,000 worth of jewelry and coins taken. And so he saved the police report, the insurance report. And so what I did, I just looked through to see what was taken. Oh, a few antiques. What's that? It says you a few antiques were taken. Well, that's, it's saying it was an antique jewelry. So they did have, it's about$3,000 worth of things stolen. And the things included were a coral ring with rubies, a coral necklace, black onyx ring, topaz rings silk, 10 silver dollars. Oh, 10 silver dollars, which they're calling was his antique collection. Mm-hmm. Two ladies pendants. Two lady, a wristwatch, a pocket watch made in the 1890s. I think that was Roscoe's wasn't it? That it was Roscoe Langs, yep. So, and a silver super dollar pendant, which had antique value made from the 1890s. So, you know, those are things family treasures. Yeah, those were treasures from the family and they were stolen. So I just felt bad about that. But he kept all that information. You know, no one was hurt. They got in through the front door, they, banged the door down and stole the jewelry and coins. Anyway, I felt bad about that. Yeah. Anyway, so, and then they came back to Enfield after, after leaving Florida. And that's where they remained for the rest of their life. They, they were home. And that's where they're buried. Right? Right. Enfield Village. Mm-hmm. Carl and Hattie, both Carl. Carl passed first, right. And then Hattie a few years later. Mm-hmm. But they're both right there in both. They both were well into their nineties. And in the Enfield Village there is where the Lang's General Store used to be. There's now the Laing. Little, it's a park. It's a little

Laura: 26:49

park. It has a granite bench. It's very cute. Yeah,

Kim: 26:51

It's nice. It's just a nice, because there's really not much that they could put on that site. I don't believe in. I think the town must own it by now. And so the, the store and everything, it was a huge building and it's all gone. Has this little park there? Yeah, but it's right across from the church from where they're buried. And that's, you know, that's the Langs. Legacy right there. Mm-hmm. It's left there. So we are very happy. And I'm not sure, I know one of our cousins had a hand in building that park and did a really great job. So yeah, it's just nice. Anyway. All right,

Laura: 27:23

well, I guess I think we're gonna be taking some time off for the

Kim: 27:26

summer, aren't we, Kim? Yes. Because the sun is out. That's

Laura: 27:31

right. That's right. So in Maine you gotta take advantage of that beautiful sun. Where's we're gonna take that time to, you know, peruse some cemeteries, gather some more family history, and we'll get back to the podcast in September. Yeah. So we're hoping everybody else will get out and enjoy the, the beautiful weather as well.

Kim: 27:51

And you know, if you find your family's gravestones, And you think, I can't even read those names. Well, gimme a call, give us a shout because we know how to clean gravestones and we've cleaned so many. Mm-hmm. And it's, it's just, it's, it's nice when you can actually read them. We've done that to Hazel's Stone and Carl Stone, cuz even in the short time at Carl Stone has been there, it has gotten a lot of lichen and stuff on it. So we cleaned that. Yeah. But anyway, we know how we want to and That's what we're gonna do. We're gonna find more people to clean and go out, and you can get, you be surprised all the information you can get from a cemetery. So yeah, I'll do that and plus some other research. Get back to some research and enjoy Maine and see your families and ask questions and tell your family history. Tell your family history. Write it down. Yeah, call us. Share it. Call us. All right.

Laura: 28:42

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Kim: 29:11

Goodbye.